[REPOST/LNH] Saviours of the NET #7: 'A Fight Scene! A FightScene!'
milos_parker at yahoo.com
Tue Apr 25 20:24:58 PDT 2006
Arthur Spitzer wrote:
> Sarcastic Lad has a son? Does he know this?
Yes, I got Gary's permission to do it, and his input on the father-son
reunion scene. I'm not telling you _where_ to find that scene, mind
you: it will make an appearance in the next NHOP TEB, Vol. 3: Gary
> Actually from some interviews I've read, I believe Alan Moore regrets
> writing 'The Killing Joke'.
> I liked Batgirl and it was kind of shame what happened to her. But treating
> every character like some sacred cow? I'm not sure about that.
I think it was more the _way_ it happened to her. Like it was a joke
at her expense. Like she didn't even matter. Having something
terrible happen to a character in someone else's story is terribly
condescending to that characters and its fans. And about the sacred
cow thing, well, let me give an example:
One of my favourite appearances of Wolverine-- who I personally can't
stand-- was in an issue of DEADPOOL also guest-starring Doctor Bong.
Now, I'm fairly certain that Doc Bong is never going to show up in the
pages of Wolverine's own magazine. A character like that completely
undermines the "mystique" and tone of most Wolverine stories.
In this story, Wolverine and Shadowcat are going to visit one of
Wolverine's old senseis, to repay a debt or whatever-- which is
actually a fairly standard Wolverine story. The twist is that Deadpool
accidentally _kills_ that sensei and provokes a fight with Wolverine.
The sort of needless fight that pops up in Wolverine guest-star
stories, more frequently, I think, than it did in actual Wolverine solo
And, in fact, the cover of this issue of DEADPOOL proclaims it as the
most gratuitious appearance of Wolverine, ever. It's a nice
parody/derailing of a Wolverine story, and Wolverine is constantly
being needled: he has that whole "I'm the best there is at what I do"
narration, and during a mid-air leap lets loose such a convoluted bit
of dialogue that Dr. Bong theorizes that mutants all have an extra
power to monologue in mid-air.
That's hardly a sacred cow approach, and I love it all the more for it.
It doesn't respect Wolverine, and it certainly doesn't love him. And
there it works, it's a funny story, a nice parody.
But, if, say, Wolverine was to shot, paralyzed, raped and humiliated in
that Deadpool story... a story in which he's merely supporting cast--
it shows a tremendous amount of disrespect for that character. And if
you hate a character that much, I don't think you should be writing
them in any way that has lasting consequences for the character.
I'd be fine with a story where Alan Moore poked fun at the Bat-Family.
Like those stories where Aquaman sits around the Hall of Justice
waiting to talk to fish while the other heroes actually do something.
That's funny, if a little insulting to his fans-- maybe it's funny
because it's insulting.
But if Aquaman was to have his hand bitten off by fish... in a Superman
story... it would be *too* insulting, too spiteful. It's like some
kind of childish sick joke. You don't maim/kill characters as a joke--
not if people love them and not if you didn't create them. Because in
doing so, you're saying that the character is a joke. That the people
who love these characters are idiots.
And that, to me, is a bad way to contribute to a shared universe.
> Of course now days even the most shocking things have become horrible
Someone told me that something ate Spidey's eyeballs. That doesn't
even make any sense, and it doesn't seem like the kind of story I'd
want to read.
> I like Kurt Busiek (Astro City and Thunderbolts), but I'm not sure I agree
> that Superhero universes should be constrained to the way Kurt Busiek would
> write them.
I wasn't trying to imply that; only that one should have some _respect_
for the characters they write.
> Ideally I think what I'd like right now would be to get just one story
> published, then another, then maybe a novel, then maybe some awards, movie
> scripts, a few Nobel Prizes for Literature, and then finally somewhere down
> the line an island full of people worshipping me and sacrificing beautiful
> female virgins in my name.
Some gods have beautiful virgins sacrificed in their honor. SMART gods
have beautiful virgins volunteer in their honor. Be a smart god,
Arthur. Be a smart god. :-)
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